Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH – 2012-2015 Honda Pilot

A14-078
December 23, 2015
00317-01777 Version 4

 

Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH

Supersedes 14-078, dated April 13, 2015, to revise the information highlighted in yellow

 

AFFECTED VEHICLES

Year Model Trim VIN Range
2012 Pilot 2WD 5FNYF3H..CB029003 and earlier with Continental PCM
2012 Pilot 4WD 5FNYF4H..CB058213 and earlier with Continental PCM
2012 Pilot 2WD 5FNYF3H..CB029004 and later with Keihin PCM
2012 Pilot 4WD 5FNYF4H..CB058214 and later with Keihin PCM
2013–15 Pilot ALL ALL with Keihin PCM

 

REVISION SUMMARY

Under WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION, a failed part number (FPN) was changed.

 

SYMPTOM

Under certain driving conditions, there is excessive vibration between 30 and 65 mph.

 

POSSIBLE CAUSES

For 2WD and 4WD vehicles, the calibration VCM operation combined with the action of the lock up torque converter creates excessive vibration.

Additionally for 4WD vehicles, the propeller shaft’s center support bearing bushing material may not effectively dampen vibrations in cold (below 32ºF) temperatures.

 

CORRECTIVE ACTION

Do the inspection procedure, and based on your results, you may need to update the PCM. For 4WD vehicles, you may also need to replace the propeller shaft.

 

SOFTWARE INFORMATION

NOTE: Unnecessary or incorrect repairs resulting from a failure to update the HDS or MVCI are not covered under warranty.

MVCI Control Module (CM) Update:
Application Version 3.001.040 or later
Database update 17-March-2015 or later

HDS Software Version:
3.016.018 or later

Before beginning the repair, make sure that both the HDS and MVCI are updated as listed above. Do only the update listed in this service bulletin.

Check that the MVCI indicates the applicable program ID listed below (or a later program ID) as the Available Update when the update begins.

 

If the MVCI displays This vehicle does not need an update at this time during the update, the software for this service bulletin is already installed.

For more information about updating the HDS, the MVCI, and vehicle systems, refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

 

KEIHN PCM

Year/Model PGM-FI
Program ID
(or later)
PGM-FI
Program P/N
(or later)
A/T
Program
ID (or later)
A/T Program
P/N (or later)
System to Update
2012 Pilot 2WD N0A070 37805-RN0-A07 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2012 Pilot 4WD N0A970 37805-RN0-A97 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2013 Pilot 2WD N0M030 37805-RN0-M03 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2013 Pilot 4WD N0M930 37805-RN0-M93 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2014 Pilot 2WD N0M030 37805-RN0-M03 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2014 Pilot 4WD N0M930 37805-RN0-M93 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2015 Pilot 2WD N0M120 37805-RN0-M12 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2015 Pilot 4WD N0M820 37805-RN0-M82 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T

*Keihin PCMs contain two chips that require you to update both the PGM-FI and A/T system software.

 

CONTINENTAL PCM

Year/Model PGM-FI
Program ID
(or later
PGM-FI
Program P/N
(or later)
System to Update
2012 Pilot 2WD N0B250 37805-RN0-B25 PGM-FI
2012 Pilot 4WD N0B350 37805-RN0-B35 PGM-FI

For more information about Keihin and Continental PCMs and how they are different, refer to the ServiceNews article

“New PCM Supplier for Odysseys and Pilots.”

 

PARTS INFORMATION

Part Name Part Number Quantity
Bolt Washer 90382-SZA-003  2
Flange Bolt (10 mm x 25 mm) 90113-S3V-A00  8
Propeller Shaft (for 4WD) 40100-SZA-S01 1

 

WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION

The normal warranty applies.

Software Update Only

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2200A0 REPAIR PROCEDURE A:

For 2WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078A 37820-RN0-A95
REPAIR PROCEDURE B:

For 4WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078B 37820-RN0-A95

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201
Skill Level: Repair Technician

 

Software Update and Propeller Shaft Replacement

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2200A0 REPAIR PROCEDURE B:

For 4WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078C 40100-SZA-A02
2191A8 REPAIR PROCEDURE C:  For 4WD vehicles: Replace the propeller shaft. 0.4 hr

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201

 

Skill Level:  Repair Technician Propeller Shaft Replacement Only

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2191A8 REPAIR PROCEDURE C:  For 4WD vehicles: Replace the propeller shaft. 0.4 hr 14-078D 40100-SZA-A02

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201
Skill Level: Repair Technician

 

INSPECTION PROCEDURE Customer Questions

Have the service advisor ask the customer the following questions:

  1. What is the outside temperature when the vibration occurs?

Above 32 ºF                  Below 32 ºF                  Temperature has no effect on vibration

  1. At what speed does the vibration occur?

Low speed (up to 30 MPH)                     Medium speed (30-65 MPH)                  High speed (above 65 MPH) 

  1. Under what driving condition is the vibration occurring?

Light or steady throttle               Hard Acceleration             Light braking              Moderate or hard braking

Test-Drive the vehicle

  1. Test-drive the vehicle and confirm the customer information using the HDS; set the cruise control Cancel button in the perimeter setting to trigger the snapshot. Then, set up the HDS to take a PGM-FI snapshot 15 seconds before and after the trigger.
  2. Drive the vehicle in the speed range where the customer feels the vibration. Once you feel the vibration, keep the throttle and speed steady and press the cruise control Cancel button once to trigger the snapshot.
  3. Save the snapshot.
  4. Repeat steps 1 through 3 a second time before going to step 5.
  5. Continue driving to create the vibration again. Once you feel the vibration, press the cruise control Cancel button again to trigger the snapshot, then lift off the throttle for 2 seconds, and then resume the throttle.
    • If the vibration does not go away, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting.
    • If the vibration goes away, continue to Results.

 

Results

To review the snap shots, select the following signals:

  • VPS Status
  • Engine Speed
  • M Shaft SPD
  • Vehicle Speed

Set the cylinder (scale to 10).

NOTE: Setting the scaling parameters to the lowest levels will make interpreting the data easier.

This bulletin does not apply if any of the following occurred; continue with normal troubleshooting:

  • The customer indicated the vibration occurred under braking or hard acceleration.
  • The engine is not in valve pause when the vibration occurs.
  • The snapshots 1 and 2 indicate fluctuations in the main shaft but the engine speed is steady – review the job aid Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration.

Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE A (2WD) if:

  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; review the snapshots 1 and 2 to see if the snapshot shows the engine in valve pause and the main shaft and rpms are steady at the time of the vibration. Also check snapshot 3 to confirm that the engine was in valve pause once the vibration occurred and went away when you released the throttle.
  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; the vibration occurred during light or constant throttle.

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE B (4WD) if:

  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; review the snapshots 1 and 2 to see if the snapshot shows the engine in valve pause and the main shaft and rpms are steady at the time of the vibration. Also check snapshot 3 to confirm that the engine was in valve pause once the vibration occurred and went away when you released the throttle.
  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; the vibration occurred during light or constant throttle.

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE C (4WD) if:

  • The customer indicated that the vibration occurs when the temperature was 32 ºF or colder, you will need to replace the propeller shaft.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE A (2WD)

Update the PGM-FI and the A/T software. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE B (4WD)

Update the PGM-FI or the A/T software. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

  • If your inspection results indicated to replace the propeller shaft, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE C. • If your inspection results did not indicate replacing the propeller shaft, the vehicle is repaired.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE C (4WD)

NOTE: Make sure you update the A/T and PGM-FI software or check that the software has been updated before replacing the propeller shaft. 1. Raise and support the vehicle.

  1. Raise and support the vehicle.
  1. Check that the propeller shaft has not already been replaced. Check if there is a purple mark on the center support bearing as shown below.
  • If there is a purple mark on the center support bearing, the propeller shaft has already been replaced with a new part. Do not replace the propeller shaft again. If there is still a vibration, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting.
  • If there is no purple mark, go to step 3.

purple mark on the center support bearing

 

  1. Remove the propeller shaft protector.

propeller shaft protector

 

  1. Remove the flange bolts from the transfer companion flange.

transfer companion flange

 

  1. Remove the flange bolts from the rear differential flange.

rear differential flange

 

  1. Remove the center support bearing mounting bolts.

center support bearing mounting bolts

 

  1. Install the new propeller shaft by aligning the factory reference marks on the No. 2 propeller shaft to the rear differential companion flange as shown below. Then install new flange bolts and torque them to 72 N·m (53 lb-ft).

rear differential companion flange

 

  1. Install the new center support bearing mounting bolts and torque them to 39 N·m (29 lb-ft).

center support bearing mounting bolts

 

  1. Set the No. 1 propeller shaft to the transfer companion flange. Then install new flange bolts and torque them to 72 N·m (53 lb-ft).

transfer companion flange

 

  1. Reinstall the propeller shaft protector.

propeller shaft protector

 

END

 

 

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J2534 Software

American Honda Motor Co., Inc. offers SAE J2534 compliant reprogramming software for Honda and Acura vehicles FREE of charge. This J2534 software, when used with a properly built J2534 pass-thru device , will automatically check for the latest vehicle calibration information.

 

Important Notice

Do NOT program a control module unless you are directed by a service procedure or an applicable Honda/Acura Service Bulletin. Control Module updating should only be undertaken by a skilled professional using proper equipment and procedures, or module damage can occur. The process of updating to the latest software not associated with a specific symptom may not resolve other specific customer concerns. Unauthorized or self-directed programming may cause unintended and irreversible effects and lead to vehicle harm and/or customer dissatisfaction.

American Honda urges end users to always use the LATEST production release of the J2534 Honda Reprogramming software. Using the latest version of the software is the best way to ensure successful reprogramming of applicable control modules.

It is possible to damage the vehicle’s electronic control modules during reprogramming. Ensure the following conditions are met BEFORE programming a control module:

  • The vehicle battery must be fully charged before programming the control module. Stable battery voltage is critical during programming. Any fluctuation, spiking, over voltage or loss of voltage will interrupt programming.
  • Turn OFF or disable any system that may put a load on the vehicle battery.
  • Make certain all tool connections are secure. Do NOT disturb the tool harnesses while programming. If an interruption occurs during the programming procedure, programming failure or control module damage may occur.

THE ON-SCREEN REPROGRAMMING PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY AS OUTLINED BY THE SOFTWARE. FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS WILL CAUSE THE REPROGRAMMING TO FAIL.

Some modules may require additional programming/setup events performed before or after programming. Please refer to the appropriate Service Bulletins for details. (e.g. IMA Battery Module)

The information in Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. The procedures should not be performed by “do-it-yourselfers”. American Honda reserves the right to supersede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through American Honda’s on-line technical resources.

 

Warning: Certain control module systems require special procedures and or hardware to be properly reprogrammed. Before proceeding ahead, check the vehicle list below.

Honda J2534 Pass-Thru User Guide

Honda J2534 Pass-Thru Software Download

 

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