Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH – 2012-2015 Honda Pilot

A14-078
December 23, 2015
00317-01777 Version 4

 

Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH

Supersedes 14-078, dated April 13, 2015, to revise the information highlighted in yellow

 

AFFECTED VEHICLES

Year Model Trim VIN Range
2012 Pilot 2WD 5FNYF3H..CB029003 and earlier with Continental PCM
2012 Pilot 4WD 5FNYF4H..CB058213 and earlier with Continental PCM
2012 Pilot 2WD 5FNYF3H..CB029004 and later with Keihin PCM
2012 Pilot 4WD 5FNYF4H..CB058214 and later with Keihin PCM
2013–15 Pilot ALL ALL with Keihin PCM

 

REVISION SUMMARY

Under WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION, a failed part number (FPN) was changed.

 

SYMPTOM

Under certain driving conditions, there is excessive vibration between 30 and 65 mph.

 

POSSIBLE CAUSES

For 2WD and 4WD vehicles, the calibration VCM operation combined with the action of the lock up torque converter creates excessive vibration.

Additionally for 4WD vehicles, the propeller shaft’s center support bearing bushing material may not effectively dampen vibrations in cold (below 32ºF) temperatures.

 

CORRECTIVE ACTION

Do the inspection procedure, and based on your results, you may need to update the PCM. For 4WD vehicles, you may also need to replace the propeller shaft.

 

SOFTWARE INFORMATION

NOTE: Unnecessary or incorrect repairs resulting from a failure to update the HDS or MVCI are not covered under warranty.

MVCI Control Module (CM) Update:
Application Version 3.001.040 or later
Database update 17-March-2015 or later

HDS Software Version:
3.016.018 or later

Before beginning the repair, make sure that both the HDS and MVCI are updated as listed above. Do only the update listed in this service bulletin.

Check that the MVCI indicates the applicable program ID listed below (or a later program ID) as the Available Update when the update begins.

 

If the MVCI displays This vehicle does not need an update at this time during the update, the software for this service bulletin is already installed.

For more information about updating the HDS, the MVCI, and vehicle systems, refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

 

KEIHN PCM

Year/Model PGM-FI
Program ID
(or later)
PGM-FI
Program P/N
(or later)
A/T
Program
ID (or later)
A/T Program
P/N (or later)
System to Update
2012 Pilot 2WD N0A070 37805-RN0-A07 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2012 Pilot 4WD N0A970 37805-RN0-A97 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2013 Pilot 2WD N0M030 37805-RN0-M03 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2013 Pilot 4WD N0M930 37805-RN0-M93 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2014 Pilot 2WD N0M030 37805-RN0-M03 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2014 Pilot 4WD N0M930 37805-RN0-M93 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T
2015 Pilot 2WD N0M120 37805-RN0-M12 N0A030 37806-RNO-A03 PGM-FI and A/T
2015 Pilot 4WD N0M820 37805-RN0-M82 N0A930 37806-RNO-A93 PGM-FI and A/T

*Keihin PCMs contain two chips that require you to update both the PGM-FI and A/T system software.

 

CONTINENTAL PCM

Year/Model PGM-FI
Program ID
(or later
PGM-FI
Program P/N
(or later)
System to Update
2012 Pilot 2WD N0B250 37805-RN0-B25 PGM-FI
2012 Pilot 4WD N0B350 37805-RN0-B35 PGM-FI

For more information about Keihin and Continental PCMs and how they are different, refer to the ServiceNews article

“New PCM Supplier for Odysseys and Pilots.”

 

PARTS INFORMATION

Part Name Part Number Quantity
Bolt Washer 90382-SZA-003 Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light 2
Flange Bolt (10 mm x 25 mm) 90113-S3V-A00 Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light 8
Propeller Shaft (for 4WD) 40100-SZA-S01 1

 

WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION

The normal warranty applies.

Software Update Only

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2200A0 REPAIR PROCEDURE A:

For 2WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078A 37820-RN0-A95
REPAIR PROCEDURE B:

For 4WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078B 37820-RN0-A95

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201
Skill Level: Repair Technician

 

Software Update and Propeller Shaft Replacement

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2200A0 REPAIR PROCEDURE B:

For 4WD vehicles: Update the PCM (includes test-drive and diagnosis).

0.8 hr 14-078C 40100-SZA-A02
2191A8 REPAIR PROCEDURE C:  For 4WD vehicles: Replace the propeller shaft. 0.4 hr

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201

 

Skill Level:  Repair Technician Propeller Shaft Replacement Only

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Template ID Failed Part Number
2191A8 REPAIR PROCEDURE C:  For 4WD vehicles: Replace the propeller shaft. 0.4 hr 14-078D 40100-SZA-A02

Defect Code: 08001
Symptom Code: 04201
Skill Level: Repair Technician

 

INSPECTION PROCEDURE Customer Questions

Have the service advisor ask the customer the following questions:

  1. What is the outside temperature when the vibration occurs?

Above 32 ºF                  Below 32 ºF                  Temperature has no effect on vibration

  1. At what speed does the vibration occur?

Low speed (up to 30 MPH)                     Medium speed (30-65 MPH)                  High speed (above 65 MPH) 

  1. Under what driving condition is the vibration occurring?

Light or steady throttle               Hard Acceleration             Light braking              Moderate or hard braking

Test-Drive the vehicle

  1. Test-drive the vehicle and confirm the customer information using the HDS; set the cruise control Cancel button in the perimeter setting to trigger the snapshot. Then, set up the HDS to take a PGM-FI snapshot 15 seconds before and after the trigger.
  2. Drive the vehicle in the speed range where the customer feels the vibration. Once you feel the vibration, keep the throttle and speed steady and press the cruise control Cancel button once to trigger the snapshot.
  3. Save the snapshot.
  4. Repeat steps 1 through 3 a second time before going to step 5.
  5. Continue driving to create the vibration again. Once you feel the vibration, press the cruise control Cancel button again to trigger the snapshot, then lift off the throttle for 2 seconds, and then resume the throttle.
    • If the vibration does not go away, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting.
    • If the vibration goes away, continue to Results.

 

Results

To review the snap shots, select the following signals:

  • VPS Status
  • Engine Speed
  • M Shaft SPD
  • Vehicle Speed

Set the cylinder (scale to 10).

NOTE: Setting the scaling parameters to the lowest levels will make interpreting the data easier.

This bulletin does not apply if any of the following occurred; continue with normal troubleshooting:

  • The customer indicated the vibration occurred under braking or hard acceleration.
  • The engine is not in valve pause when the vibration occurs.
  • The snapshots 1 and 2 indicate fluctuations in the main shaft but the engine speed is steady – review the job aid Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration.

Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE A (2WD) if:

  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; review the snapshots 1 and 2 to see if the snapshot shows the engine in valve pause and the main shaft and rpms are steady at the time of the vibration. Also check snapshot 3 to confirm that the engine was in valve pause once the vibration occurred and went away when you released the throttle.
  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; the vibration occurred during light or constant throttle.

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE B (4WD) if:

  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; review the snapshots 1 and 2 to see if the snapshot shows the engine in valve pause and the main shaft and rpms are steady at the time of the vibration. Also check snapshot 3 to confirm that the engine was in valve pause once the vibration occurred and went away when you released the throttle.
  • The vibration occurred between 30 and 65 mph; the vibration occurred during light or constant throttle.

 

Do REPAIR PROCEDURE C (4WD) if:

  • The customer indicated that the vibration occurs when the temperature was 32 ºF or colder, you will need to replace the propeller shaft.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE A (2WD)

Update the PGM-FI and the A/T software. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE B (4WD)

Update the PGM-FI or the A/T software. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating Control Units/Modules.

  • If your inspection results indicated to replace the propeller shaft, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE C. • If your inspection results did not indicate replacing the propeller shaft, the vehicle is repaired.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE C (4WD)

NOTE: Make sure you update the A/T and PGM-FI software or check that the software has been updated before replacing the propeller shaft. 1. Raise and support the vehicle.

  1. Raise and support the vehicle.
  1. Check that the propeller shaft has not already been replaced. Check if there is a purple mark on the center support bearing as shown below.
  • If there is a purple mark on the center support bearing, the propeller shaft has already been replaced with a new part. Do not replace the propeller shaft again. If there is still a vibration, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting.
  • If there is no purple mark, go to step 3.

purple mark on the center support bearing

 

  1. Remove the propeller shaft protector.

propeller shaft protector

 

  1. Remove the flange bolts from the transfer companion flange.

transfer companion flange

 

  1. Remove the flange bolts from the rear differential flange.

rear differential flange

 

  1. Remove the center support bearing mounting bolts.

center support bearing mounting bolts

 

  1. Install the new propeller shaft by aligning the factory reference marks on the No. 2 propeller shaft to the rear differential companion flange as shown below. Then install new flange bolts and torque them to 72 N·m (53 lb-ft).

rear differential companion flange

 

  1. Install the new center support bearing mounting bolts and torque them to 39 N·m (29 lb-ft).

center support bearing mounting bolts

 

  1. Set the No. 1 propeller shaft to the transfer companion flange. Then install new flange bolts and torque them to 72 N·m (53 lb-ft).

transfer companion flange

 

  1. Reinstall the propeller shaft protector.

propeller shaft protector

 

END

 

 
A14-078


 


 

i-HDS Diagnostic Software and J2534 Reprogramming Software

i-HDS Diagnostic Software and J2534 Reprogramming Software

 

Honda J2534 Pass-Thru User Guide

Honda J2534 Pass-Thru Software Download

Latest ECU Software

 

i-HDS Diagnostic Software and J2534 Reprogramming Software

American Honda Motor Co., Inc. (“Honda”) offers the i-HDS (Honda Diagnostic System) software suite for the diagnosis and repair of electronic systems on Honda and Acura automobiles, and for the reprogramming of electronic control units (including, but not limited to, ECMs and PCMs). This software provides access to all Honda and Acura vehicle systems (access to the immobilizer security system requires a Security Professional level software subscription and Vehicle Security Professional [VSP] registration with NASTF). To use the i-HDS software, you need to purchase one of our convenient subscription options. In addition, you will need a pass-thru Vehicle Communication Device (VCI) that is compliant with SAE J2534-1 and J2534-2 in order to communicate with the vehicle

 

Vehicle Communication Interfaces (VCI)

The i-HDS software supports the use of a generic pass-thru VCI that is compliant with SAE J2534-1 and J2534-2. However, Honda recommends the Denso DST-i or the Bosch MVCI for use on Honda and Acura vehicles, as Honda has worked closely with these manufacturers to ensure their hardware and our software interact safely and within the J2534-1 and -2 specifications, for both diagnostics and reprogramming. If you choose to use a generic VCI, please carefully consider the customer and technical support options you will receive from your chosen device supplier. Honda does not provide technical or customer support for generic VCI devices.

The VCI Application Table below lists devices that either are approved and supported by Honda or are known to have completed and passed an independent, exhaustive validation program with our i-HDS software suite.

VCI Name Manufacturer Version Information Notes
Firmware J2534 API
DST-i DENSO 2.02.0002* 04.04 This is the current generation VCI used by Honda and Acura dealers. Honda routinely validates the functionality and provides customer support for this device.
DST-nano DENSO 2.02.0002* 04.04 This is the current generation VCI used by Honda Canada Inc. Honda and Acura dealers. Honda routinely validates the functionality and provides customer support for this device.
MVCI Bosch 3.01.60* 04.04 This is the previous generation VCI used by Honda and Acura dealers. Honda routinely validates the functionality and provides customer support for this device.
MongoosePro Honda  Drew Technologies 1.9.5** 04.04 This company has completed an independent i-HDS validation and claims it to function with the i-HDS software. Honda does not provide ongoing validation, nor customer support for this device.
d-briDGe Pro Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light Dearborn Group 3.303** 04.04 This company has completed an independent i-HDS validation and claims it to function with the i-HDS software. Honda does not provide ongoing validation, nor customer support for this device.

* These versions may have been superseded. Honda provides the latest supported versions to current i-HDS subscribers.
** Version used in validation program. See Terms and Conditions and Important Notice Regarding Reprogramming below for more details.

 

Reprogramming with the J2534 Rewrite Application in i-HDS

Included in the i-HDS software suite is a new reprogramming application called J2534 Rewrite. This application is made available to all subscribers of the i-HDS software suite and replaces the previous generation software, J2534 Honda Pass-thru Reprogramming Software.

This new application is compatible with generic VCIs that comply with SAE J2534. It must be used to reprogram any Honda/Acura vehicle equipped with ECUs that support reprogramming. Refer to the table below for legacy applicability for the programming of ECMs and PCMs. Though system dependent, late-model vehicles may be equipped with other ECUs that support reprogramming as well, e.g. ABS or VSA. J2534 Rewrite must be used to reprogram these control modules, as instructed in an applicable service bulletin.

As shown in this table, not all legacy Honda/Acura models are equipped with a reprogrammable ECM/PCM. Furthermore, all 2007 and later models not listed in the table are fully supported with this application.

Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light CarDAQ-Plus 2 Diagnostic Code Reader and J2534 Programming Tool
Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light Drew Technologies (DRWCDPLUSKIT) CarDAQ-Plus J2534 Flash Reprogramming Kit
Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light CarDAQ-M Modular PassThru J2534 Vehicle Reflash Hardware
Excessive Vibration Between 30 and 65 MPH - 2012-2015 Honda Pilot » small light VSI J2534 ECU Reprogrammer & Diagnostic Adapter
MAXIFLASH PRO (ALT-MF2534)

 

DST-i Information:

MVCI Information:

 

techinfo.honda.com

 


 

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  • 👍【ECU ONLINE CODING&PROGRAMMING IN WHAT SITUATION?】🚩1.When replaced a new ECU(coding first,if ecu still not working then coding after programming) 🚩2.Update ECU,due to some of ECU have bugs,so it will cause some fault that difficult to repair. 🚩3.When software damaged in ECU,due to battery and ground issues(the hardware is normal)🚩4.Usually you just need coding when replaced a second-hand ECU 🚩5. Some regions the vehicle calibration and module are not installed.
  • 👍【HOW POWERFUL ABOUT OUR PAD V?】 🚩LAUNCH X431 PAD V support ECU/ECM Online Programming for 14 Car Brands, including Infiniti, Nissan, Subaru, VW, Ford, Landrover, BMW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Benz, Mazda, Renault. 2 YEAR UPDATE.🚩It is portable,support many modules,high speed on diagnostic and programming.🚩Directly download programming files on launch server, no restriction of original plant equipment.🚩Free to coding or programming, powerful online function and safety,strong after-sale service.
  • 👍【HOW STRONG ABOUT OUR VCI? 】🚩 Support J2534/CANFD/DOIP/D-PDU/RP1210 Protocols for 99% vehicles.🚩It used to read the vehicle data and send it to the tablet via bluetooth. 🚩When the smartbox 3.0 works with computer, it acts as a J2534 Pass-thru device to perform the J2534 programming which empowers you to program the ECUs after replacement, and fix corrupted data in ECU, match the components, reflash the second-hand ECUs, flash the hidden functions.🚩Make the diagnosis convenient and quickly.
  • 💯【ALL SYSTEM DIAGNOSTICS & 60+ RESET SERVICES】LAUNCH X431 PAD V can perform OE-level diagnosis on all available systems such as ECM, ABS, SRS, TCM, EPB, TPMS systems, etc. to read/clear codes, read control module information, data stream, actuation tests, and ECU Coding. 🚩This scannner has 60+ services, including ECU Initialization, Oil Reset, SAS Reset, ABS Bleed, DPF, Throttle Matching , Suspension Calibration, Idle Relearn, Power Balance,Crankshaft Variation Position Learn, EVAP Test, etc.
  • 💯【FULL BI-DIRECTIONAL CONTROL+ REMOTE DIAGNOSIS】Bi-Directional Control /Active Test to send command to the ECU to perform specific tests for accurately identifying problems, such as injector buzz test, idle speed adjustment, window lock test, door lock test, glow on/off, ACG on/off etc. 📊Our X431 Pad V support remote diagnose service between devices, or via mobile phone,tablet and computer.
Bestseller No. 10
LAUNCH X431 PRO5 with Free J2534 ECU Reprogramming Tool for OEM Reprogramming and Diagnostics, 50+ Reset,OE-Level All Systems Bi-Directional Scanner for CANFD/DOIP/ Heavy Duty Truck,Key IMMO Scan Tool
  • Featured with a brand-new upgrade system, X-431 PRO5 is newly designed for All Makes, All Models, and Full system diagnosis and assists the technician to make the vehicle diagnosis and repair easier at all skill levels.
  • [J2534 ECU Reprogramming Tool, No IP Limitation]: LAUNCH X431 PRO5 scan tool Upgrade all functions of X431 V+, PROS V1.0, PAD3. With the SmartBox3.0 can download the OEM software from the manufacturer’s server for free.
  • [3 IN-1 FREE J2534 ECU Programming Device: LAUNCH X431 PRO5 support all new J2534/DOIP/CANFD protocols to access data and OE programming downloads for most Car; Support DC9-36V for HD Vehicle ( No NEED buy HD Module, SAVING $900+.)
  • [ One-stop Intelligent Tools]: Workshop level scan tool X431 PRO5 with the repair fix solutions database, Code Assist, Repair Tips,Component Measurement, TSB, Relevant Cases,DTC Analysis to simplify complex diagnostic and achieve the trouble-free repair.
  • [50+ Reset, Continuously Updated Reset Functions]: 50 resets reaching into the smallest parts to root out the problems. Extra 300+ repair functions ( in-vehicle catalog) for specific models extend the capability to regeneration, initiation, matching, etc.

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