Creak From the B-pillar – 2014-2016 Honda Odyssey

A16-035
November 3, 2016
05097 Version 2

03969 Version 1

 

Creak From the B-pillar

(Supersedes 16-035, Dated July 23, 2016, to revise the information highlighted in yellow)

 

AFFECTED VEHICLES

Year Model Trim VIN Range
2014–15 Odyssey ALL ALL
2016 Odyssey ALL 5FNRL….GB000001 thru 5FNRL….GB044289

 

REVISION SUMMARY

REPAIR PROCEDURE A has been added.

 

SYMPTOM

A creak is heard from the base of the B-pillar when driving on uneven surfaces or during acceleration and braking.

 

POSSIBLE CAUSES

The sheet metal has a touch point deep within the base of the B-pillar.

 

CORRECTIVE ACTION

Separate the sheet metal at the touch point at the B-pillar on affected side only.

 

TOOL INFORMATION

Tool Name Tool Number Quantity
Snap-on Borescope BK5600 1
Chisel (5.5” X 3/8”) Snap-on PPC812B or similar 1
Acid Brush Commercially Available 1

 

REQUIRED MATERIALS

Part Name Part Number Quantity
Expanding Foam Commercially Available 1
Undercoat Commercially Available 1

 

WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION

The normal warranty applies.

REPAIR PROCEDURE A

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Defect Code Symptom Code Template ID Failed Part Number
8580A0 Bend the bulkhead

tab (left or right side).

Includes diagnosis.

0.3 hr 07406 04201 16-035C 63610-TK8-306ZZ
8580A0 Bend the bulkhead

tab (left or right side).

Includes diagnosis.

0.3 hr 07406 04201 16-035D 63610-TK8-306ZZ
A For additional side (if necessary) – add 0.1 hr

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE B

Operation Number Description Flat Rate Time Defect Code Symptom Code Template ID Failed Part Number
8570A8 Separate the sheet metal at the touch point at the B-pillar on affected side only (left or right side).

Includes diagnosis.

1.9 hrs 07406 04201 16-035A 63610-TK8-306ZZ
8570A8 Separate the sheet metal at the touch point at the B-pillar on affected side only (left or right side).

Includes diagnosis.

1.9 hrs 07406 04201 16-035B 63610-TK8-306ZZ
A For additional side (if necessary) – add 1.9 hrs

Skill Level: Repair Technician

 

DIAGNOSIS

  1. Test drive the vehicle on an uneven surface (driveway) to determine if the noise is coming from the B-pillar area.
  2. If the noise is coming from the B-pillar area, raise the vehicle on a lift and, remove the front 20 mm grommet on the side that is making the noise.

20 mm grommet

 

  1. Use a borescope to look straight up into the hole.
    • If the bulkhead tab is touching the outer side panel, go to REAPIR PROCEDURE A.
    • If the bulkhead tab is not touching the outer side panel, go to REAPAIR PROCEDURE B.

bulkhead tab

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE A

  1. Use a screwdriver to bend the tab away from the outer side panel.

bulkhead tab

 

  1. After bending the bulkhead tab, test-drive the vehicle to confirm the noise has been eliminated.
    • If the noise is gone, no further action is needed.
    • If the noise is still present, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE B.

 

REPAIR PROCEDURE B

NOTE: This procedure is in an outline form. For more information on how to remove these items, refer to the service information.

  1. Move the seat position and the recliner as far forward as possible.
  2. Disconnect the battery and wait 3 minutes.
  3. Remove the middle row seat.
  4. Remove the front door sill trim.

front door sill trim

 

  1. Remove the sliding door sill trim.

sliding door sill trim

 

  1. Remove the lower B-pillar trim.

lower B-pillar trim

 

  1. From under the carpet, disconnect the seat belt tensioner connectors and detach the harness clip. Disconnect the seat belt outer lap tensioner connector, then place the retractor on the front seat.

seat belt tensioner

 

  1. Use a large flat-blade screwdriver or pry bar to separate the expanding foam that is applied to the plastic separator plate from the inner walls of the B-pillar as shown. Push the back edge of the separator plate down into the B-pillar, then remove the separator plate.

separator plate

 

  1. Wrap some masking tape around the front edge of the borescope camera.

Wrap some masking tape around the front edge of the borescope camera

 

  1. Turn on the borescope and adjust the camera until you get the display level as shown. Then, put a mark on top of the tape to show the correct orientation for the display.

borescope

 

  1. From a sitting position in the door opening, insert the borescope camera down into the seat belt retractor opening. Place the camera near the black plastic clip and aim toward the rear of the vehicle as shown.

seat belt retractor opening

 

  1. Position the camera to inspect the specified location to confirm the touch point area.

touch point area

 

  1. Using a hammer and a small chisel, separate the sheet metal all along the touch points. Tap the chisel several times to obtain separation. NOTE:
    • Drive the chisel in between the sheet metal in several locations to get the proper separation along the touch point area.
    • You will need to use a pry bar to remove the chisel from the B-pillar. Work it side to side to remove it.
    • DO NOT pry up or down on the chisel; it could break off in the B-pillar.

separate the sheet metal

separate the sheet metal

separate the sheet metal

 

  1. After separating the sheet metal, temporarily install the seatbelt retractor and reconnect the battery.
  2. Test-drive the vehicle to confirm the noise has been eliminated.
  3. Apply undercoat to the separation area to prevent rust.

 

Apply undercoat

 

  1. Install the plastic separator plate.

NOTE: The clips on the plastic separator may have been deformed during removal. Bend or trim the clips as needed to help inserting them back into the holes.

  1. Seal the plastic separator by applying commercially available expanding foam around the perimeter.
  2. Install all removed parts and torque the retractor upper mounting bolts to 4 N·m (6.9 lb-ft) and the lower retractor mounting bolts to 32 N·m (24 lb-ft).

retractor

 

  1. Repeat on the opposite side if necessary.

 

END

 

 

 

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